tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post8195821532564517434..comments2024-03-25T20:55:48.523+00:00Comments on Didcot Wargames Club: Stronghold V tournament- Initial List ThoughtsMike (Didcot Wargames Club)http://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-75309980094782557152016-04-15T08:43:02.211+01:002016-04-15T08:43:02.211+01:00Not sure where but I read about that before. On on...Not sure where but I read about that before. On one hand I think it's a cool idea, but then not everyone has a lot of time on their hands to paint everything. We have a few dads in our group as well and I know they find it hard to even find time to assemble their models sometimes. Some people (like me) are also super slow painters - I've gotten back into 40K about 1,5 years ago and only have about 1000pts of painted models. That would still exclude me from most tournaments, which would be sad. <br /><br />All that said of course painted battles are so much more fun, just like having a gaming mat and nice terrain!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199583732490727488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-2164165474327998252016-04-15T08:32:19.945+01:002016-04-15T08:32:19.945+01:00I agree on the above points, making your HQ cheape...I agree on the above points, making your HQ cheaper especially. You could bump up that scout squad to 10, give 4 of them snipe rifles and 1 a missle launcher or a heavy bolter and stick those 5 on an objective, maybe on close to your own deplyoment zone that you'd usually have to divert one of your more mobile units too, giving them free reign in turn.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199583732490727488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-10109482554277498062016-04-15T08:29:50.805+01:002016-04-15T08:29:50.805+01:00Scout bikers were something I was thinking of, too...Scout bikers were something I was thinking of, too - don't they also have a locator beacon? You could scout them up and drop your grav cents that much more reliable.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199583732490727488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-28658725980954810412016-04-14T22:15:02.292+01:002016-04-14T22:15:02.292+01:00Oh, yeah, forgot to comment on that. There are a c...Oh, yeah, forgot to comment on that. There are a couple of events around here that use that, too, and I love it.WestRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12877289116827690457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-67859592169725023972016-04-13T14:45:41.973+01:002016-04-13T14:45:41.973+01:00I would have thought platoons, but even so, a PCS,...I would have thought platoons, but even so, a PCS, 2x squads, 2x HWT, 2x Special weapons and a large blob of conscripts is a lot of bodies and dakka.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412304888734273336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-89253196519886310762016-04-13T11:59:22.646+01:002016-04-13T11:59:22.646+01:00ah yes they are. it is the new stormsurge that was...ah yes they are. it is the new stormsurge that was gargantuantoonboy78https://www.blogger.com/profile/06032744373751739974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-72929259110248901922016-04-13T09:22:05.247+01:002016-04-13T09:22:05.247+01:00Riptides are monstrous creatures, not gargantuan.Riptides are monstrous creatures, not gargantuan.Triple Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002702481127525157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-49556518342053201782016-04-13T09:21:53.280+01:002016-04-13T09:21:53.280+01:00The Riptide issue was me wondering, I couldn't...The Riptide issue was me wondering, I couldn't remember if they were Gargantuan or not. I thought that they weren't, but if they are, then even better for me!<br /><br />There are 4 mission that are two eternal war, one maelstrom and one special one for the tournament (basically a version of the Relic where the Relic does not move and you score each turn you hold it). Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-54888187099095374982016-04-13T09:12:39.576+01:002016-04-13T09:12:39.576+01:00an interesting set of rules. the only change i wou...an interesting set of rules. the only change i would like to see is the allowance of formations, but limited to a point size, similar to the allies. not sure why riptides allowed as they are gargantuan creatures....very odd to pick and choose. sort of like say no super heavies but a stormlord is ok.<br /><br />would they be playing maelstrom missions or eternal war?<br /><br />as for your list it looks very solid for most missions and i agree with what the others suggest with a squad of scout bikers would be a good additiontoonboy78https://www.blogger.com/profile/06032744373751739974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-37160668846903787302016-04-13T09:10:53.280+01:002016-04-13T09:10:53.280+01:00You think I can use this rule in my regular games ...You think I can use this rule in my regular games too?Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-28412235553471869242016-04-13T09:10:32.419+01:002016-04-13T09:10:32.419+01:00Yeah, I'm thinking if I drop the attack bike a...Yeah, I'm thinking if I drop the attack bike and meltabombs on the command squad, I can take 3 scout bikers with a homing beacon, meltabombs and a grenade launcher. Will help me ensure the centurions get to where they are needed. Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-57741387873938147672016-04-13T03:00:27.793+01:002016-04-13T03:00:27.793+01:00Preferred enemy (unpainted): bwah ha ha ha ha! Tha...Preferred enemy (unpainted): bwah ha ha ha ha! That's brilliant :o)Marc van Holsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06111807836610358784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-85410997597172809722016-04-12T20:18:18.657+01:002016-04-12T20:18:18.657+01:001250 can be a really fun Points level. Games go ni...1250 can be a really fun Points level. Games go nice and fast, and it just tends to be more light-hearted in my experience.<br /><br />Not a whole lot to mention about the list that hasn't already been said, but if you do go with some Scout Bikers, consider a Locator Beacon. Infiltrate+Scout can get them in a good position to bring that one Pod down exactly where you want it (e.g. on an Objective), and there are probably also some possible shenanigans available with that and keeping the Scouts in the Storm in Reserve and Deep Striking them.WestRiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12877289116827690457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-20720910935592671302016-04-12T15:33:51.776+01:002016-04-12T15:33:51.776+01:00Yeah, I think the scout bikers are a good shout an...Yeah, I think the scout bikers are a good shout and I'll try and get them painted. <br /><br />I wasn't sure about platoons, the rules don't specify whether platoons count as a unit or do the infantry squads count as the individual units. Platoons would make sense, otherwise it would be very difficult to build a Guard army. Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-65666003024329354652016-04-12T14:40:21.808+01:002016-04-12T14:40:21.808+01:00I think scout bikes would be better use of points ...I think scout bikes would be better use of points than the attack bike, granted you'd loose an anti-armour unit but you'd get a lot more use and flexibility out of the scouts.<br /><br />As for guard armies, I think this set-up does little to restrict them. With platoons and pretty much everything being squadrons there are still lots of options. Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412304888734273336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-18481427274832444342016-04-12T12:34:39.142+01:002016-04-12T12:34:39.142+01:00Granted I've been using them with the hunting ...Granted I've been using them with the hunting force but my scout bikers have taken out a devastator squad and librarian against Blood Angels, and a big squad of flesh hounds against a daemon armyTriple Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002702481127525157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-30230287423918573702016-04-12T12:24:52.373+01:002016-04-12T12:24:52.373+01:00I actually have unit of scout bikers to get painte...I actually have unit of scout bikers to get painted. Should be able to get them done by the end of the month. Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-28264657695546726242016-04-12T12:24:12.430+01:002016-04-12T12:24:12.430+01:00Flattery like that will get you everywhere Rob. Flattery like that will get you everywhere Rob. Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-61404528965648599352016-04-12T12:22:44.242+01:002016-04-12T12:22:44.242+01:00Scout bikes would be a good addition then - the gr...Scout bikes would be a good addition then - the grenade launcher is a lot more useful than its stats indicate, getting in 12" and double tapping then charging in and making use of your HoW can be very effective!Triple Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002702481127525157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-27058998366526244912016-04-12T12:18:06.115+01:002016-04-12T12:18:06.115+01:00I agree with Nick on most points, though at this l...I agree with Nick on most points, though at this level I would be tempted to grab another scout unit. Bodies on the table to camp objectives are invaluable I find at lower points games. But even if you took this list as is Mike I think you would do very well with your generalship :)<br />Rob-not-stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535589578326730130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-47469471611872881902016-04-12T11:35:34.382+01:002016-04-12T11:35:34.382+01:00Unfortunately, I don't own a thunderfire canno...Unfortunately, I don't own a thunderfire cannon. I also can't take another unit of bikes thanks to the rules of the tournament (max of 2 of each unit). Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-48920119891584162002016-04-12T11:31:40.546+01:002016-04-12T11:31:40.546+01:00Hmm, 95 points is not much to spend in the marine ...Hmm, 95 points is not much to spend in the marine codex is it! If you could squeeze 5 more I'd say go thunderfire for gaming potential, but it's not very fluffy. You could probably stick in a small unit of bikes, perhaps with a couple of flamers just to give you a bit of redundancy against hordes if you do end up facing one. If not, they're still a nippy claiming unit.Triple Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002702481127525157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-60249492203331908272016-04-12T11:24:09.656+01:002016-04-12T11:24:09.656+01:00Cheers Nick. I find the attack bike doesn't do...Cheers Nick. I find the attack bike doesn't do much other than be a distraction and grab objectives at the end. Might be worth dropping the Mantle of Stormseer, Meltabombs and attack bike. That would give me 95 points to spend. Maybe go for power weapons on my bike sergeants or a tactical squad? <br /><br />As far as I am aware, any bike-mounted independent character now makes them troops choices. A change from the 6th to 7th edition codices. Mike (Didcot Wargames Club)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04136576868354842829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-17056639653283425232016-04-12T11:15:05.998+01:002016-04-12T11:15:05.998+01:00Oh yeah, I forgot to mention - might be worth chec...Oh yeah, I forgot to mention - might be worth checking that a libby on a bike actually makes bike squads troops. I know the last codex it was only captains that did that (not even chapter masters) but can't remember if they changed it this edition.Triple Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002702481127525157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668255476316917252.post-85734857403090866822016-04-12T11:13:49.961+01:002016-04-12T11:13:49.961+01:00I love list building!
Here's my thoughts - th...I love list building!<br /><br />Here's my thoughts - though I know I mustn't touch your grav command squad, haha!<br /><br />1 attack bike as you pointed out can be quite susceptible to fluctuating performance levels. My bigger concern would be it's pretty much a walking (riding?) first blood point, particularly against an army like Tau with lots of S7 shooting.<br /><br />Melta bombs - as you pointed out, probably overkill, particularly with the number of grav guns your army brings.<br /><br />You seem to be putting a lot of points into the librarian. With a two wound character that doesn't have an invulnerable save I'd probably look to keep him fairly cheap, probably just go with the single piece of wargear. You can probably save enough through taking those things out to get yourself a second attack bike, which not only makes them more reliable, but also makes them a much tougher proposition for first blood.Triple Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18002702481127525157noreply@blogger.com